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Thursday, 3 January 2013

Dear Argentina...

NOW look. You've been whining about this since 1767 and it's starting to get on my wick.

I've ignored you until now, because you're very silly and your greatest cheerleader is Sean Penn, a man who pretends to be things he is not and once hit his then-wife Madonna with a baseball bat, tied her up for nine hours and abused her.

If he is on your side, it's not a good side to be on.

But today you've written to Prime Minister Dishface demanding he enter negotiations to 'return' the islands we call the Falklands and you call Malvinas, 180 years after we cruelly stole them from you with our jackbooted naval officers of totalitarianism.

You were 'forcibly stripped' of these jewels in the South Atlantic and your people were 'expelled'.


Only, that's not quite what happened, is it Argentina? Someone obviously needs to remind you, and probably Mr Penn too, of the facts.

Allow me to start by saying there are probably things we can all agree on. War is bad, for example, and colonialism - aside from the roads, aqueducts, education, health reforms, economic development, culture, food, integration and innovation - tends to be a bad thing too.

We could probably avoid an argument over the fact that the Falkland Islands, in and of themselves, aren't exactly pretty. There are no hanging gardens, no waterfalls, no exotic wildlife. They're a windy bunch of rocks a long way from anywhere, although I grant they're nearer to you than they are to us.

Which begs the question about why, exactly, you never bothered to settle them.

De facto control over the Falkland Islands

When they were first discovered by a Dutchman in 1600 there was nothing there but seabirds. No people, no cultural heritage for anyone to trample over. Just a windy bunch of rocks.

Ninety years later a British sailor was blown off course and sailed through a bit of water he named Falkland Sound, and 74 years after that the French turned up to form a colony.

WAIT! I hear you cry. The French colonised the Falklands?

Why yes, and 18th century email being what it was the British turned up two years later and built a settlement on another one of the islands and claimed the whole lot for the Crown, unaware the Frenchies were already in residence.

The French sold out to the Spaniards a year after that, who put the colony - containing French people - under control of a governor in Buenos Aires.

Three years later the Spanish picked a fight with the Brits, kicked them out and after a peace treaty let us back in. In 1774 the Brits, overstretched by the Americans kicking off, withdrew and left a plaque behind asserting their claim. Thirty two years later the Spaniards departed too, leaving another plaque, and in 1811 the last settlers threw in the towel.

We were back to empty, windy rocks known only to whalers and sealing ships, and two memorial plaques.

In 1820 an American pirate called David Jewett took shelter there, and finding the place deserted promptly claimed the islands for a union of South American provinces which later became Argentina.

You lot didn't realise this for a year, but still didn't settle the islands. Instead a German who pretended to be French called Luis Vernet came along, asked the Argentines and the Brits politely if they minded, and founded a little colony of his own.

It took him a few goes, but eventually he established a settlement, you named him governor and gave him the right to kill all the seals. This quite hacked off the Brits, who wanted some seals for themselves, but Vernet placated us by asking for our military protection.

It all got a bit hairy in 1831, when Vernet found some American seal ships, arrested their crews and sparked an international incident. The Americans sent a warship, blew up the settlement, and hot-headedly sent the most senior settlers to the mainland for trial for piracy.

The Argentines sent a new governor to establish a penal settlement, but he was killed in a mutiny the day he arrived. The Brits, quite reasonably, decided the whole thing was a dog's breakfast.

And now we get to the bit you're unhappy about Argentina, the invasion and forced expulsion.

The Brits arrived two months after this mutiny, and wrote to the chap in charge of the small Argentine garrison. The letter said:
"I have to direct you that I have received directions from His Excellency and Commander-in-Chief of His Britannic Majesty's ships and vessels of war, South America station, in the name of His Britannic Majesty, to exercise the rights of sovereignty over these Islands.
It is my intention to hoist to-morrow the national flag of Great Britain on shore when I request you will be pleased to haul down your flag on shore and withdraw your force, taking all stores belonging to your Government."

Now, there are many ways people can be oppressed, forced, compelled and abused - just ask Sean Penn - but a polite note is not one of them.

The Argentine in charge thought briefly about resisting, but he didn't have many soldiers and besides, most of them were British mercenaries who refused to fight. So on January 3, 1833 you left, Argentina, with wounded pride and your nose in the air.

You had never settled the islands. Never established a colony of your own. Never guarded it with a garrison of your own soldiers. They had never, ever, been yours.

And now to the matter of that expulsion. The log of an Argentine ship present at the time records the settlers were encouraged to stay, and those that left did so of their own free will and generally because they were fed up with living on some boring, windy rocks.

Eleven people left - four Argentines, three 'foreigners', one prisoner, a Brit and two Americans.

Twenty-two people remained - 12 Argentinians, four Uruguay Indians, two Brits, two Germans, a Frenchman and a Jamaican.

As the imposition of colonial power on an indigenous population goes, that takes some beating. And for the sake of clarity I should point out that a human melting pot like that makes the place about as British as you can be.

A few months later HMS Beagle, taking Charles Darwin to the Galapagos for a long think, popped in and found the settlement half-ruined and the residents lawless. There were several murders, some looting, and in 1834 the exasperated British sent Lieutenant Henry Smith to run the place.

The islands have been ours ever since, and is now home to almost 3,000 people descended from settlers who came from Britain, France, Scandinavia, Gibraltar, St Helena and Chile. At the same time, you went on to fight wars with most of South America and colonise provinces with indigenous populations by killing or pushing them out.

When your government was broke and facing strong opposition in the 1980s, you invaded them to divert attention of the voters with the cost of 907 lives, and it cannot be unrelated to your letter that in a few weeks you face being ejected by the International Monetary Fund for lying over your economic figures.

At around the same time, the people who now live on these boring, windy rocks in the middle of nowhere are having a referendum about who they would like to govern them. You will ignore this, because you believe they do not have a right to make up their own minds and have repeatedly refused to talk to the islanders about your claims.

So allow me to make a couple of things clear. Firstly, the history of these windy rocks is an utter mess but someone had to take charge, and you weren't up to the job. We did it pretty nicely, considering our record in other places.

Secondly, only jackbooted colonial scumbags refuse to listen to the democratic voice of the people who live somewhere, so you really ought to wind your hypocritical warmongering necks in.

And thirdly - well done with the wine, and the beef's pretty good, but if you want to negotiate let's start with you taking back your Total Wipeout, because as cultural imperialism goes it's pretty offensive, and you might want to think about handing Patagonia back to its people as well.

After that we are quite prepared to let you come and holiday on these windy rocks, where you will be invited to pitch a tent anywhere you like within the 13 square kilometres where you left 19,000 landmines last time you visited.

We know they're a long way away. We know there's not much to the rocks, and there might be oil and it might give someone a claim to Antarctica.

But we also know something you don't - which is that a well-run, law-abiding and happy bunch of rocks is the best bunch of rocks you can hope to have. You're no more up to that job now than you have ever been.

In case our position is still not clear, the above could be summed up as: No.


Yours sincerely,

Blighty

PS Can we interest you in Julian Assange?





130 comments:

SherpaPsy said...

Great article, I honestly had no idea of the varied history of the islands.

Anonymous said...

ever thought of joining the Foreign Office?

Anonymous said...

I think this account proves FSF is waaaaaaaay overqualified for that cesspit of imbeciles...

Anonymous said...

You missed the whole section where America told Argentina they'd back them over ownership, whilst telling 'Blighty' they'd do the same for them...
Me thinks America may have stirred up an inordinate amount of poop back in the late 70's/80's over this
All in all it's a hard one for me, what with maternal family coming from Argentina and my paternal family coming from the UK :\

Anonymous said...

Great read Foxy. Many thanks.

Anonymous said...

Great article, however... You can't compare Cristina Kerchner with the fascist Junta of the late 70's early 80's and you do yourself no favours summarising the complex nature of Argentina's relationship with the IMF the way you do here. 'La Cristina' and her husband Nesto before her have done a huge amount of good for the poor and working classes of Argentina. But she is a politician and no doubt sees that although very, very few people in Argentina actually care about the Falklands/Malvinas if she were to win soverignty over the islands she would be a shoe in at the up and coming election. People in the UK seem to care more about the islands but I doubt very that it's the election winner for the current Tory lot.

Think it fair that Argentina be granted mineral rights in that bit of the South Atlantic and the people that live on the islands decide who rules them.

So let's do that and move on with our lives, eh.

Anonymous said...

A little reminder to Madame Kirchner, We sailed 8000 miles once to ensure that the Falkland Islanders could determine their own futures, and we will be perfectly prepared to do so again. You see we don't scare easily, so please don't dictate to us until you are marching down Whitehall, and even then we won't listen

Anonymous said...

It doean't matter wether you are Argentinian or British, what matters is the Falkland islanders referendum, it's their call.

Anonymous said...

I can't agree with you about Total Wipeout.

jimbo26 said...

Putting it politely : Sean Penn only wants to get into MS Kerchners underwear .

Anonymous said...

If we're going to kick out all colonialists are the Argentineans buggering off back to Spain then?

Anonymous said...

It proves she can read Wikipedia and exaggerate spitefully you mean.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the 1965 UN resolution also suggested Argentina could invade the Falklands in the 80's? I mean, I'm sure that's what they meant by 'renegotiate'.

Anonymous said...

Do the Argentinians have any nice bits of the Caribbean that we could do a straight swap for?

And I too rather like Total Wipeout, even with that prat in the studio at our end. Although you can have him too, if you like?

Greg_L-W. said...

Hi,

it is astonishing how often America either promises that which is not theirs to promise or even worse beats the hell out of people to increase their arms trade or steal their minerals.

One need only look at their cowardly high level and indiscriminate bombing in Viet Nam, the gratuitous and obscene slaughter in Iraq of a beaten and leaderless army in retreat, their cowardly 'Shock & Awe' slaughter of men women & children on an indiscriminate basis in Iraq, their upcoming defeat in Afghanistan having failed to control the Country, steal their copper reserves or convert the Pashtun (Taliban).

Little surprise then that the ONLY pretence to control of the Falkland Islands by Argentina was encourage by America to play both ends off against the middle and justify the toxic Madelein Albright - neither of whom had any authority to even comment.

FSF's excellent summary has taken the more professional route of not naming individuals or parallels! Herv article should be compulsory reading in schools in Britain and clearly in The Argentine, where truth has always been a hostage to their economy or whichever member of their comedy government of tyrants has been in the ascendency and of course America where no one seems to know much about anything beyond their limited borders!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Anonymous said...

Kirchner. That is a native American name, right?

Anonymous said...

Ha!

Diversionary tactics - it's not the first time she has done that. Mid-terms in October 2013 and everyone goes off for summer holidays from now until early March so it's best to leave them with the nicer taste of some Malvinas rhetoric in their mouth than accounting and financing blunders with the IMF.

Made me laugh our loud.

Anonymous said...

It is indeed true, Mr Anonymous, that we wouldn't hesitate to send another fleet to protect the Falklands again. One defective nuclear sub, a couple of frigates and three fisheries protection vessels. at the (very rough) last count. It is, in fact, official that we couldn't do it this time round - but neither could Argentina.
Meanwhile - great article, FSF. I had wondered what the truth was, but you did the research so that I didn't have to! Ta.

Sean Fleming said...

I broadly agree with the general thrust of this piece. I don't go in for sabre rattling though, as I'm now too old to ever be asked to go into a war zone, and I'm never going to expect others to spill their blood where I'm not able to do the same.

Anonymous said...

Well written,the whole truth hurts.if they start this time,there should be no quarter.the people wish to remain british.as to the usa,well they were planning war with us ,right up to pearl harbour ,take a look at the red plan.time for England to reasert her power.we are no push over.you play,you loose.

Anonymous said...

as Argentinian, I must say that Kirchner is a piece of shit... I saw a comment here, typical socialist, zurditos as we call them here, that thinks money comes out from heaven and the state must provide at any cost (inflation cof cof)...
Some days I think we should haver never expelled UK from Argentina, and we would be like Australia/NZ right now...

Richard Woods said...

Don't have time to check all this but it sounds about right. Good piece - needs wider audience.

Anonymous said...

yeah, "sure", they did a lot for poor and working classes... do you live in Argentina??? I mean, giving them money instead of jobs, and some food instead of instruction, is *great*, right?

Peter Ainley said...

That's the trouble with anonymity - it attracts flies.

Peter Ainley said...

Try German.

Anonymous said...

So this is all about oil, right?

Ian Cox said...

Argentina came into existence in 1862, some 29 years AFTER Britain established the Falkland Islands.

Josh Bassett said...

Anonymous...(The last one)

Don't underestimate the Royal Navy. We do still have Ocean, which could operate all manner of helicopters, including apaches. Add to this the type 45 destroyers, and dozens of type 23 frigates and type 42 destroyers.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I recall we couldn't do it last time either - oh wait...

CrawdaddyClub Richmond said...

Terrific and informative piece. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Exactly, we look after our own. Just like Diego Garcia.
Oh.

Anonymous said...

If the yanks want to get involved so much then they must show us the way and hand back all lands taken from Mexico during the 1800's like Texas, New Mexico and California, once this is done the the rest of the world can then start to hand back lands to the rightful owners be the indigenous peoples of the time, but as we know that this is never ever going to happen.

Anonymous said...

Having been on operations effectively since 2003, the British Armed Forces are now well equipped, battle experienced, used to fighting an unseen enemy, used to operating in the worlds most harshest conditions. Its logistical operations are second to none, its capability world class.

Argentina - you not been involved in combat operations for the last 30 years, so whenever your ready for a lesson in modern warfare - give us a shout, we are more than willing to give you a Gentlemanly kicking behind the bike sheds.

Paul E said...

Great to see that good old jingoism is alive and well.

Nicolas Suszczyk said...

Dear people,

I'm an Argie and, in 22 years of life, I haven't seen a WORSE government than Mrs Kirchner: every Argentinean fights against each other ("rich" vs. "poors"), she and her staff always insulting the opposition forces, censoring an opposing media monopoly when there's a state media monopoly that contributes in hiding the corrupt politicians she protects and insulting everyone who doesn't agree with her calling you a "fascist"... and that's not as heavy as the drug cartels hiding here, robbers, assaults... since 2007 we've been morally destroyed... and moral crises are far worse than economic crises for sure.

To summarize, everything Chavez has brilliantly made in Venezuela is starting to be done here.

Best,

Nic

Andy said...

We had aircraft carriers then...

Anonymous said...

To Spain, Italy, Germany, Britain, Poland...

Anonymous said...

F*uck the nations, we are all human.

Anonymous said...

I would pay money to see Mr Penn pick up a rifle and go do his bit to "liberate" the people of The Falklands.
Film it, add comedy music, and flog it to You've Been Framed for 500 quid.

I wonder if he'll attend a premier of his upcoming movie there ;)
I for one will not buy a ticket or DVD of a movie that moron is involved with.

Anonymous said...

So... If I as argentinian buy a lot in London and live there for 100 years, then this parcel should be a part of Argentina only because I want to remain argentinian?

Anonymous said...

On the financial side you can bet your backside that's why it's important. Historically we now have an issue with British Servicemen who died to get them back. What the Islanders want doesn't actually fit into the equation really, as it's hidious place which no doubt is costing British tax payers to keep it going.
Yes I have been there, twice whilst in the Army accounting for 12 months of my life. Given a choice would I live there? No chance.
On the grand scale of distances, this is a bit like France owning the Isle of Wight, so there is some logic to why Argentina want them, but that is overtaken by the quest for oil

Anonymous said...

That Argentinian wine is good isn't it.

Anonymous said...

Kirchner is already committing acts of war by attempting to strangle the economy of the Islands. She and her thugs are bullying the Cruise line companies that visit both Argentine and the FI's to stop the visits the FI's. This is another act of war from the same thugs that invaded a helpless peaceful island community back in 1982.

Anonymous said...

Brilliant summarisation of the hostory of the Islands.

The fact that the Falkland Islanders want to remain exactly that seems to be lost on the Argentinians and their colonialistic fantasies.

Anonymous said...

The victor writes the history. Nuff said.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps Ms Kirchner (good Argentinean name, there!) would like to return Argentinia to the indigenous people to whom it originally belonged?

David Tubb said...

Dear Mr anonymous Argentinian

Yes that's fine. As long as you supply all your own resources and infrastructure and never take anything/ask for help from Britain (whilst improving your parcel and the lot of those that live there) then go for it. You may situate your parcel in one of the following:
Peckham,
Croydon,
Streatham,
Brixton,
Newham,
Tottenham.
(They are as hospitable as the Falklands)

After you've done that we'll get the UN to propose negotiations, 30 years later we'll invade your parcel and then after another 30 years tell you to conform to the initial UN proposal, despite being shameless warmongering idiots.

Sincerely

Not a simpleton, SoSD
(Supporter of Self-Determination)

Anonymous said...

Argentina was participating in discussions about mineral and fishing up until Nestor took over - and then they promptly ran away. What's the point in talking to them when all they want is to discuss the hand over date - that's hardly a negociation. Besides, in spite of Christina claiming that the UN supports their claim - no such thing exists - just an acknowledgement of a dispute over sovereignty.

Anonymous said...

To be fair, her maiden name is Fernandez

Anonymous said...

The Argentines don't really have any armed forces to speak of. If you think the UK armed forces are shrunk since 1982, it's been Kirchners policy to cut spending on the armed forces. They couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag now. They just had a corvette stick in Cape Town for a couple of month as they owed the German company that maintained them a lot of dosh and they were to told to cough up in advance if they wanted it repaired. The air force is much the same - no new aircraft since 82.

Gareth Milner said...

I just spoke to an Argentinian I know, he asked me what all this fuss was about? He says he doesnt give a flying f**k about some little islands that mean little if nothing to a lot of people, and coincidentally he does mention the islanders rights to self determination. He did raise an interesting point in that he thinks his President keeps bringing this Falklands issue up, because the Argentine economy is in a shit state, and they're being accused of fiddling figures. Oops

Anonymous said...

Who's arsed

the don said...

"There was a load of bloody fairies in Buenos bloody Aires
With greasy hair and sweaty bums, they'd never heard of Boddington's
A different culture and a different race, - no chippies in the fucking place,
You can keep that poof Ardiles, we're going to have your Malvinas
Eh Up!"

Unknown said...

Dear FSF,
Beatifully written article, but I have to take issue I'm afraid. That comment about Assange at the end made me laugh so hard I dropped my iPad. You owe me an iPad.

Anonymous said...

why dont we ever see Mr Penn making speeches and waving the flag for repatriating his OWN country. Surely he lives in the most invaded land on earth with the most disenfranchised natural inhabitants. maybe once the so called `americans' start leaving and returning thier country, lands, wealth etc to the native americans they stole them from (with far more violence than appears to have been used by the brits on the falklands) then Mr Penn will have a right to wade in on the rightful rulers of countries that dont concern him!

Anonymous said...

Great! Does that include getting the UK back from everyone else who isnt indigenous British?

Anonymous said...

I have been there ( RAF) not where I want to live but those that live there want to stay Brits.
Dont know why folk get so touchy about the oil, its the minerals on the sea bed that are interesting.
Yes it costs the tax payer money, but the average Brit would I feel support 'action' out there rather than in Afgan / Iraq

Anonymous said...

Having been there, it is a beautiful corner of Britain, a windy, rocky corner and probably the furthest corner from civilisation, but still British (and always will be)

Anonymous said...

Well done.

Anonymous said...

It was called the Monroe Doctrine. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

Anonymous said...

Dear Argentina,
After a chat with my best mate, who seems to be a bit of an authority on this. The Islanders who he helped liberate at Goose Green are who matter. It is their freedom, across the whole island, and right to self govern that is paramount. Even though you tried to shoot him, naphalm him and eventually blew him up with a land mine (he does holds a bit of a grudge about that) he'd happily self finance and go down again, rowing all the way if he had to, to defend his fellow British dependents, The Falkland Islanders.

Anonymous said...

Number 1. if we are going to use 300 years of historical mismanagement as a guide as to who should rule whom, the globe will be a very different place. History is just that-history. modern politics should be based on modern values and practicalities. the malvinas should be argentinian.
Number 2. My wife and I are the only people who live in our little part of Somerset, an we have just had a referendum. Both of us want to be ruled by Scotland. is dishface going to back that? I think not

Number 3. A little less sabre rattling and more common sense will help us all to live better lives in the long run

Anonymous said...

Sure! Why not? Esp if ppl were threatening to take the land you call home from you cos they knew someone who lived there before, then left.

Anonymous said...

What credibility do Argentina have after filming a "sportsman" dancing on the WWI War Memorial?

Anonymous said...

If thats the case the channel islands should be french and cuba american.

Alex said...

Island apes in Europe, island apes in America...

Anonymous said...

What a load of ranting rubbish. I am English and would rather give all the occupants a million pounds,then give then an option of where they would like to live, raise it to the ground and hand it to the Argies. Save us millions in the years to come. War doesn't solve anything....pen is mightier than the sword! We went to war over these islands in the 80's and many many people lost their lives and many more were seriously injured.....for what....a few windy rocky islands. Who honestly cares tuppence who owns the stupid islands.....get real. Its cost us a small fortunes since. Lets start caring about our own...putting our money into our English people who live here, supporting the old, sick, young, families. My rant over!

Anonymous said...

A very good Letter, but it ignores the bleeding obvious. The people who live in Argentina are Colonial Spanish. So there claim is dismissed on those grounds alone. One Colonial Power asking another Colonial Power to defungerate. Priceless Humbug.

Anonymous said...

That nasty little deal was cooked up in the 'sixties to give the US a base in the Indian Ocean (they knocked a few quid off Polaris in exchange). Nice that the US reciprocated and supported us through thick and thin during the Falklands War! When is the lease up for negotiation? 2014, I think

Anonymous said...

Excellent read there!

Cristina Elisabet Fernández de Kirchner is the daughter of Eduardo Fernández (Spanish heritage) and Ofelia Esther Wilhelm (German descent).

Is her desire to take possession of lands belonging to another state hereditary?

PS - any reply on Julian Assange yet?

Hawker-blue said...

In all fairness, last time our boys had just come in from exercises. I doubt the argies will do anything brash.

Anonymous said...

No because London is British territory. Falklands aren't and have never been Argentine. We have been there since before Argentina existed.

Anonymous said...

And aircraft to go on them. Maybe the Argies have read "vulcan 706" and realised how close a shave it was for us then..... :/

Anonymous said...

The Americans did help us in the last Falklands war. They provided AWACS intelligence. In return Mags promised to sell Westland to Sikorsky so they could sell licensed choppers in the middle east.

Anonymous said...

Which is also not a native American name

Anonymous said...

In UK supermarkets you can usually find Argentinian wine and other products. Argentina's sportsmen, particularly rugby and football players, are welcomed as friends (including Beccio at Leeds United). It isn't like the British people bear a grudge, and yet Argentina's leadership continues to make life as difficult as possible for the hard-pressed Falkland Islanders, restricts air passage to the islands, prevents cruise liners and other shipping from visiting the Falklands and then Argentina and generally encourages its MERCOSUR neighbours to act along the same lines. They are like a man offering his one open hand in friendship but who has a dagger in his other.

Anonymous said...

Seconded!

Anonymous said...

You miss a few important points in your potted history. Firstly, after the '65 UN agreement, the UK Government started putting plans in place to hand the islands over to Argentina. In fact, the main reason that they don't now belong to Argentina is because they invaded them in 1982, and moved from them from an inconsequential blip on the world map to something that patriotic Brits apparently feel needs defending at all costs.

Secondly, using conflict in the Falklands as an electoral tactic is hardly exclusive to Argentina. Again, many political historians agree that had Thatcher been a shoe-in at her forthcoming general election, she would brushed off the Falklands invasion with a few strongly worded dispatches and a complaint to the UN. The decision to send troops 6,500 miles took lots of people by surprise, Argentina included, and the success is generally credited as the reason Thatcher did so well in 1983 (even if it is not the reason she won).

Finally, your assertion that the will of the people takes priority over all else is a good one, but does beg the question of whether the country they wish to remain a part of should have any say in the matter. As the Anonymous commentator above states, spending hundreds of millions of pounds defending a barren piece of rock simply out of principle should rightly be up for challenge by UK taxpayers.

If we are prepared to turf people out of their homes so we can build a new motorway then why are we so defensive about protecting homes of people thousands of miles away from the British Isles simply because they want to remain associated with the UK?

Anonymous said...

*Vulcan 607.

Last time we had hardly any military presence on the island when they were invaded. Now we have Hope, Faith, Charity and Desperation, plus a garrison of soldiers.

Argentina's airforce is pretty much the same as it was in 1982, only much smaller. They wouldn't get near the islands.

Anonymous said...

And where was Adolf Eichmann found may I ask? And how many other murdering b*****ds have been welcomed with open arms by the peaceloving, saintly Argentinians? No really, how many?

Joe Erskine said...

What a load of rubbish and as a Falkland Veteran your remarks, to me, are insulting. The vast majority, if not all our veterans, agree with Operation Corporate to regain the Islands and would do it again if required. Most would also disagree with your view on the Islands being a hideous place. It is a beautifull place populated by wonderfull people who are self governing and self financing aming the Falkland Islands a prosperous self governing set of Islands. It does not cost the British Tax payer one penny to keep it going. During your two visits over 12 months (which you do not say the dates) you must have hibernated away in your little squaddy world muttering away in your beer instead of getting around the Islands seeing the real Falklands and meeting the people, which is a great shame, but was unfortunately the case in the early years after the conflict. Do yourself a favour and take another visit with your eyes open this time.

Oliver said...

I think that's the most sensible comment in this thread. Well said, sir.

Anonymous said...

I thought the wine was bad and that's why they called them Malvinas

Alex said...

That happens everywhere. British people are also welcomed as friends in Argentina, just a few jokes about football and that's all. British are part of our history as are spanish, italians, germans and many more. You are polite and we are friendly, you can see how happy british tourist in buenos aires feel. The governments of both countries is and have always been in hands of morons, but that should never influence the relationship between individuals and folks.

Anonymous said...

No. Sadly. One dozen T23 and 6 type 45 about half of which would be available if we left every other worl committment. The Royal Navy the greatest disappearing act in British history.

Andrew said...

I rarely feel proud to be British, but compared to the Argentines it looks like I got lucky.

Bob H said...

The Falklands represent an important part of the UK strategic oil reserve, admittedly the risk is relatively high but the rewards may also be so. While there is still speculation about the quality and availability of the reseves, there remains little doubt that the UK needs new supplies of oil for the future.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous3 January 2013 23:25 - you are right, history is history and should be understood without being revered. You are also right that what matters is contemporary values and common sense.

However, despite these sound assertions, you seem to have confused common sense with "give sovereignty to whichever country is closest". The people on that 'little island' deserve the right to self-determination that anyone else in the modern world would demand as a right, not a privilege.

If they want to be British, as they have asserted previously, and the British are willing to continue to offer their military protection, then surely that is the end of that?

Anonymous said...

Agreed - I had a great time there. And for the Islanders it is home.

Bob H said...

CNN says that the US also gave the British their Sidewinder Air2Air missiles to defend against the Argentine missiles.

Anonymous said...

Did you cc Ban Ki-moon?

Anonymous said...

Actually it only costs 2% of the annual MOD budget to have a base in the Falklands Islands, so not a "small fortune" the Islands are financially independent from the UK apart from defense. There are 3,000 people who live here who do actually care who owns the falklands, my family have been here for 8 generations, most families can trace theirs back 9!! We are eternally grateful for those who went to war on our behalf over these "stupid islands" ( and for your information 255 british servicemen lost their lives and 3 local civilians) not a day goes by when we do not remember those who fell, too say we dont is disgusting.

Anonymous said...

A typical Chilean impersonating an Argentinean comment

Anonymous said...

Another typical Chilean disguised as an Argentinean comment

lucas said...

Give us back our Islands, and stop lying please.

Anonymous said...

continued...
Garkhas (mix of Argie slang for deceitful people,"garca", and Chillies indigenous "Yndios Aucas") would be even better.
As Ms Dods put it: "British oil drillers could foil that plan by basing themselves at the tip of Chile and sail to the Falklands in a wide enough arc to avoid the stretch of water claimed by Argentina. Simples!
- Henrietta Dods, Once Great Britain.

Besides Maggie already showed us the way. She partnered with the first and sole Latin dictatorship who developed WMDs ( Pinochet's Mad Scientist. http://www.consortiumnews.com/1999/c011399a.html ) but that was of minor consideration when our oil resources are at stake. Needless to be said... killing with deadly gas sarin is more civilized and clean, so we might ask the new Chillies right wing president if he could spare some. What a nice meal !!! Now excuse me please... I`m going to the toilet.

Anonymous said...

What a nice day to eat Argie meat !!! A thick 'n' juicy "bife de lomo" steak with an Argie Malbec would be heaven... musicalized with Benjamin Britten's War Requiem (1961) for soprano, tenor and baritone soloists, chamber ensemble, boys' chorus, mixed chorus, and orchestra well... that's visiting Avalon.
Meanwhile let's get into this Argie thing. It's the bitter truth: We couldn't send a task force to the Falklands today... Clapp hands please !!! , however why jump into it
if instead we could send our mercenaries ??? Let's see...
Gurkhas slitting the Argie's throats would be nice, though the Khukri is designed for lopping off heads in one clean swipe, not for lesser actions! Well.. we'll see since all those third world heads rolling down the hill won`t be very attractive with the international press.
continued...

Anonymous said...

Joe please let me apologies for the offensive remarks made by Anonymous on 3 January 2013 @ 19:40. I am an ex serviceman and I have been to the Falkland Islands three times, a total of eighteen months of my life. I have to say that the Islands are stunningly beautiful places and the people are wonderful people. I had the pleasure of meeting with the local Islanders who are British, Argentinian, Chilean and American. I also spoke to a number of them and I know that 100% of the Islanders want to remain under British rule, so Argentina really do not have a prayer.

Anonymous said...

So we should give it over because it would win her an election? silly person. if she cannot win on merits already accomplished then she doesn't deserve to.

sinisterpictures said...

"Anonymous4 January 2013 07:50
And aircraft to go on them. Maybe the Argies have read "vulcan 706" and realised how close a shave it was for us then..... :/"

We have submarine launched cruise missiles now, putting all of Argentina in the frame.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't Penn have some ridiculous ideas regarding the 'nobility' of the IRA cause? If he thinks that turf war, protection rackets, prostitution and drugs are a good cause - he can't be too well qualified to comment on the free choice of the Falkland Islanders.

sinisterpictures said...

Sean penn is mightier than the sword?

Anonymous said...

We had the 9G Sidewinders, they gave us the 9L type with proximity capability meaning we could fire head on as well as from behind.

Anonymous said...

Interesting article. I'm currently a brit in Tierra del Fuego, where even the locals realise that Kirchner is about as nutty as squirrel poo, this is a diversion from their dire economic situation and the Falklands should remain under British sovereignty. One slight correction though, the Falklands are not rocky, bleak islands, they have stunning scenery, including miles of sandy beaches and are teeming with incredible wildlife. Some examples:
http://ow.ly/gylHe

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to the Macc Lads?

Anonymous said...

Should those who already live on the Falklands not have a say in things? Who are you to say that their homes and land should be Argentinian? What would you say if someone Latvian said they liked your home and garden and therefore they should be allowed to just take it from you?

Anonymous said...

Yeah I'll second that - ex-bootneck

Anonymous said...

Very good your spot on

Anonymous said...

Politics, politics, politics , but eventually she will die. Keep calm and carry on. ex-bootneck

Anonymous said...

The Falklanders are having a referendum. It's more than likely they will vote to stay with the UK. They have a thriving economy from what I read recently, and pay substantially towards the costs of keeping a UK presence on the Islands. As one letter has stated, 19000 land mines are still present on the islands courtesy of Argentina, and when they invaded, the Falkland population were treated quite badly. So Argentina was not welcome on the Falklands, and had all the earmarks of a colonial power in the making, albeit over a very small number of islands and a very short time. Most people would never want to live on these islands, Argentinians or British, but they are a symbol. For Argentina, possesion would show that they had stood up to us and won, for the UK, that we British are prepared to go the whole 9.5 yards to preserve a population's right to independence, as we did in 1982, and I feel the nation would demand if Argentina invaded to do it again. As for the US playing both ends against the middle, that game they have played for years, and I suspect they would have loved in private to have seen us defeated in 1982. The difference between the UK and the USA, if we had lost, our soldiers would still have been welcomed back as hero's, not as loser's. Wars are not the solution to solve problems, but diplomacy does not always work, and sometimes we have to be fight to prove a point, the point being in 1982, that we were prepared to sail 8000 miles to oust an aggressive invader. Argentina underestimated the resolve of the UK and our armed forces, and paid the penalty. Just let the Falklanders alone Argentina, and let them get on with their lives

RJE said...

Love every word. You tell 'em FST

Anonymous said...

Open quote “they were first discovered by a Dutchman in 1600” close quote .
The Malvinas/Falklands weren’t discovered by a Dutchman in 1600. The islands were first discovered by Amerigo Vespucci (1502), then by members of a Magallanes expedition, which were under service of King of Spain: Esteban Gómez (1520) and re-discovered by Simón de Alcazaba y Sotomayor/Alonso de Camargo (before 1540). Moreover, the entire period from 1501 to 1568 have Spanish explorers mapping the islands and no amount of propaganda can change that fact. The islands appear on all Spanish maps of the region from 1529 onwards when they were detailed by Diego de Ribero. Besides, this occurred before British John Davis (1592) and Richard Hawkins (1594), so the acephalia claim doesn/t jeopardize Argentine sovereignty rights.

Anonymous said...

It was a great article,i served on HMS Glasgow during the Falklands war in 82,i was 18 didn't know where the Falkland Islands where,we all did a great job in taking back what is ours,lost a few old mates from HMS Coventry(my previous ship i served on).Kirchner needs to read this... Falkland Isl are British and always will be.

Anonymous said...

Have you ever lived in Argentina? I have and it's quite the opposite - the Malvinas is one of the only topics that unites nearly the entire nation (ie they want them back). It is discussed far more often and taught in school far more than in the UK where it only makes the news if Argentina grumbles.

Anonymous said...

Open quote “Ninety years later a British sailor was blown off course and sailed through a bit of water he named Falkland Sound , and 74 years after that the French turned up to form a colony” close quote
Let’s see, I suppose you’re referring to 1690 (Strong) and 1764 respectively. First settlement was established in 1764, when Frensh Louis Antoine de Bougainville, who commanded an expedition which sailed from port Saint-Malo, arrived to the islands and founded a colony of around 30 people. In Soledad island founded Port Louis which represented the formal possession of the islands in the name of the King of France. Knowing this, Spain protested the islands already belonged to territories under their domain, claim which France accepted. Spain formally got back the islands from Bougainville in 1767 and since then these had a permanent Spanish presence in the form of governors. In XVIII century France recognized that they were Spanish territory, Louis the XV of France, however, abandoned his ally in Spain who had supported his taking Corisca from the British in 1768

Anonymous said...

Open quote “Ninety years later a British sailor was blown off course and sailed through a bit of water he named Falkland Sound , and 74 years after that the French turned up to form a colony” close quote
Let’s see, I suppose you’re referring to 1690 (Strong) and 1764 respectively. First settlement was established in 1764, when Frensh Louis Antoine de Bougainville, who commanded an expedition which sailed from port Saint-Malo, arrived to the islands and founded a colony of around 30 people. In Soledad island founded Port Louis which represented the formal possession of the islands in the name of the King of France. Knowing this, Spain protested the islands already belonged to territories under their domain, claim which France accepted. Spain formally got back the islands from Bougainville in 1767 and since then these had a permanent Spanish presence in the form of governors. In XVIII century France recognized that they were Spanish territory, Louis the XV of France, however, abandoned his ally in Spain who had supported his taking Corisca from the British in 1768

Anonymous said...

In response to various posters above, I wrote the following comment elswhere and copy it to here...

Modern technology allows us to monitor if Kirchner decides to mobilise, giving us plenty of notice.
She then needs to get to the Falklands so she requires a navy capable of doing this before she is stopped by our navy which will have had advance warning to get on station. She does not have a navy with this capability.
We have modern defence/attack aircraft in the Falklands with air and ground crew who are very combat-trained in real conflict. The fact is that Argentina has not replaced any of the aircraft lost in 1982, and the only ones available are of that vintage or earlier.
Draw your own conclusions.

Anonymous said...

Argentina withdraw from the 50/50 hydrocarbons joint deal talks with the UK in 2007, so they've waived any right to acquisition of minerals. As for false teaching, yes the kids in early school learn that the British are 'pirates' and colonialists and that the 'stole' the islands from Argentina. Funny think is if the Argentines care to visit the BA archives they will find all the facts historically proven as the UK say, except they choose not to. Far better to keep tweaking the tail of the old Imperialist. Trouble is, one day that old imperialist is going to turn round and bite your head off.

Bobble42 said...

All military experts seem to agree that the lack of radar and a suitably sized garrison on the islands resulted in the takeover by Argentina during the war. That same thinking also went on to conclude that the addition of state of the art radar and detection equipment would tag any invasion force before it left harbour giving the nuclear "stealth" submarine and one of (if not) the most advanced warships in the world time time to sort themselves out. The complement of Eurofighters currently stationed on the islands is deemed capable of dealing with the entire Argentine airforce as they are able to target over the horizon and against jets which are no newer than those used in the previous war. I do believe one expert suggested that the only hope for another Argentine invasion was that the British would run out of ammunition.

And we can borrow the Charles de Gaul from our new bestest buddies. Who would have thought we would see these days?

Bobble42 said...

You could reply with a well balanced argument refuting those claims and setting out the inaccuracies.

Bobble42 said...

I think you will find that Hollywood will decide what happened and dramatise it badly, changing any important information to make it more American and then peddle it in cinemas world wide. Next thing you know it is the truth. America is the modern day Rome.

Bobble42 said...

And some pants as I wet myself.

jam tangan casio said...

nice blog :)

Anonymous said...

Trivia. There aren’t LatinAmericans making comments on this subject in this blog because: a) they don`t now how to read English, b) they are indifferent to the Falklands islands controversy, or c) fleetstreetfox blocked them all out. Apparently, the correct answer is c) fleetstreetfox blocked them all out. I`ve been trying for a while to make some historical comments on this issue but some of these were never posted. Since it seems your statement has Argentineans as destinataries, it would be nice, specially being a reporter, if you allow some feedback even if it doesn`t share your same views. Blocking what you might consider adverse comments, jeopardizes blog’s credibility to the point of considering it a mere propagandistic cyber panphlet.

Foxy said...

Your comments were added - see above. The problem was you were filing 3,000 word diatribes and this is a blog, not your personal magazine.

Anonymous said...

HELLO TO EVERYONE

I AM DIEGO, FOM ARGENTINA. (A 100% CRAZY WOLVERHAMPTON FAN)

I THINK WE ALL MUST BE MORE CLEVER THAN IN 1982. THIS PROBLEM IS ON THE TV AGAIN ONLY FOR ONE REASON.

BOTH GOVERMENTS ARE TRYING TO SET OUR ATTENTION ON THIS, CAUSE THEY WANT TO HIDE OTHER KIND OF TROUBLES (ECONOMICAL SITUATION, ETC ETC).

NOT CRISTINA NOR CAMERON ARE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT FLAKLANDS. ALL THEY WANT IS THE SAME AS TACHER AND GALTIERI WANTED IN 1982. TO SAVE THEIR POLITICAL CARREERS.

TAKE A LOT OF THIS:

IS ARGENTINA (A COUNTRY THAT DID NOT BUY WARGUNS OR JETS IN THE LAST 20 YEARS) ABLE TO START A WAR AGAISNT THE BIGGEST ARMY IN THE WORLD?

IF ARGENTINA I SO SURE TO HAVE RIGHTS ENOGUH TO WIN THE SITUATION ON THE PROTOCOLS? WHY DO THEY NEED TO START A WAR AGAIN?

DONT BELIEVE THE MEDIA. OUR TV HERE IS SAYING ENGLAND IS DEPLYING FORCES ON THE ZONE.

YOUR TV IS TELLING YOU THE SAME. PRETENDING WE WANT TO ATTACK.


WE CANT BE AS INOCENTE AS WE ALL WERE ON 80s.
WE MUST BE AND ACT LIKE A GROWN UP POPULATION AND DONT LET THIS PEOPLE TO FORCE US TO A FIGHT AGAIN.


THIS STUPID WAR ON 1982, WAS STARTED BY A DRUNK MILITAR WHO DID NOT REPRESET US!!

WE ARE THE 8TH BIGGER LAND ON THE WORLD, WITH ONE OF THE BEST GROUND TO PLANT. WHY WOULD BE SO IDIOTS TO PICK UP A FIGHT FOR 2 ISLANDS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE?

IT TOOK MANY TIME FOR US TO UNDERSTAND YOU ALL ARE NOT MARGARET TACHER.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE NOT VIDELA OR GALTIERI!

ALL I KNOW IS. THOUNSAN PEOPLE DIED IN BOTH SIDES BECAUSE HUMANS STILL DID NOT LEARN TO SHARE!


LETS WE ALL WAKE UP AND OPEN OUR EYES ONCE!!!
PEOPLE LIVING ON 21 CENTURY CAN BE FORCED AGAIN BY 2 PERSON INTO A WAR AGAIN.

NO MORE ARGENTINIAN OR ENGLISH BLOOD MUST BE DROPPED AGAIN FOR THE BENEFIC OF 2 POLITICIANS.

THIS IS A GOOD TEST FOR ALL

HUGS TO EVERYONE

DIEGO


PS: VAMOS WOLVERHAMPTON CARAJO!!! UP THE WOLVES!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Gracias, Diego!

Anonymous said...

Wise words

Anonymous said...

Zurditos!

Anonymous said...

Lol Loving it the Argies are mainly Europeans with a large majority being Spanish, Italian and German decended therefore I'm sure the idigenous people would like you lot to fuuck off back to where your great great grandparents came from. They also speak Spanish like an Italian fart and their accent and pretentious attitude is laughed at all over the Spannish speaking world.
Verdict Majority of Argies = w@nkers

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